Guest: Well, my ego said sometimes, "This is
enough." But it was good for my Soul.
Guest: It made me feel like we were praising
God. Sometimes thoughts would come and go fast. You would go into
levels where it was not good, and then you'd realize what you were
doing again and you'd feel that God was there. It was a good
exercise, a good mental and physical exercise.
Maitreya: But did you notice, when we were doing
The Reminder, the whole thing was so together? Everyone was
one. The energy was one, was completely mixed together as one
energy. Everyone was saying exactly the same words together. There
was one voice coming from all the people. That's what kirtan is
supposed to do, make the energy become mixed up, and become one.
That is because when we come here, we come from
different backgrounds, different cultures, with different energies.
Then when we do kirtan for such a long time, that mixes us all
together much more. We become united in one Spirit, instead of being
separated in flesh.
I guess one of the problems was that we had so few
groups. If we have six to eight groups, then each group would sing
for a half an hour every three to four hours. It would be much
easier for everyone to do that.
The number of people is the hand of God. The more
people there are to do God's Will, the more God's Hand is stretched
out to do His Will. The number is the Will of God, or the Hand of
God. The greater the number, the easier everything is, even doing
twelve hours of Kirtan.
Did you sit around and meditate when the others were
singing? Wasn't that a nice meditation? Your consciousness goes with
the rhythm.
Did you see the dance? Did you see your Soul dancing
while you were meditating and they were singing? No? [all laughing]
Oh, that's the best part of it. You sit there and instead of you
dancing, your Soul dances in you. Krishna is there dancing with the
sound of
Haree Om Shrii Hung.
That's what I was doing in my room, meditating with
your singing and my Spirit was just dancing within. That's a pretty
good feeling when you see your Soul dancing. You don't dance, your
body doesn't dance. Your physical body stays in meditation but your
Soul dances inside. Actually that is the real Kirtan. Your Soul
knows how to dance, and your body stays still or dances according to
the Spirit (Holy Ghost).
Well, this is the last night that we're going to be
together this year. I hope you all enjoyed the Feast, and that you
received whatever you were expecting to receive from it.
Actually according to the tradition of the Hebrew
teaching, this is how the seven days of the Feast of Tabernacles are
kept: Six days are the period of purification, the seventh day
symbolizes one thousand years.
For six thousand years humanity goes through
purification in the era of Kali Yuga or the period of ignorance.
Then humanity is left alone almost completely to themselves. They go
through wars, destruction, tribulation, religions, upheavals and all
these separations that we have on earth.
When the sixth day is finished, like God said, "The
seventh day is Sabbath," it's the time of rest, a joyful rest. It is
a time of meditation and bringing God back to our lives. That's what
the seventh day is, or the last thousand years, the beginning of the
Kingdom of God.
This one thousand year period is a time of
completely dancing, chanting, praising God, remembering Him and
forgetting about the time, where you are, and your problems. That is
why the seventh day in the Feast of Tabernacles is a Holy
Convocation.
We gather together and we forget about the
philosophies, teachings or anything. The only thing we do is just
sing and dance. We sing and dance, and we make a great noise to the
Lord. That's what He wants us to do.
When we sing, He sings with us. That's why I said,
if we meditate when other people sing
Haree Om Shrii Hung, if we really meditate deeply, we will
see our Spirit starts dancing to
Haree Om Shrii Hung.
He doesn't dance the way you do. He just goes all
over. He jumps down, bends, rolls around, speaks in tongues, like
holy rollers. He just goes all over. He's a very good dancer.
So if you sit there and meditate when people are
chanting
Haree Om Shrii Hung and really immerse yourself into the
rhythm of it, you will see how the Spirit (Holy Ghost) takes over,
and what a Joyful and Good dancer He/She is. Then you see the Spirit
within you clearly.
The singing of Haree Om Shrii Hung is not a
matter of how loud you sing, or who is singing higher than other
people, but the rhythm of it. If you listen to the rhythm of
Haree Om Shrii Hung, after awhile it becomes like riding a
camel in a caravan. The caravan just goes on, and on. If you have
ever heard a caravan, the camels have bells which rhythmically ring,
ding, ding, ding. After awhile the camel is so in tune with this
rhythm that he goes for long distances without getting tired. That
is what that rhythm does. It makes the camel go on for hours without
getting tired.
That's why it always reminds me of the desert. Now
the earth is free. We free the earth.
That's when you get to the real Haree Om Shrii
Hung. When you really get to that rhythm, you never will be
tired. Actually, you want to go on, and on. You can't stop it. You
can just go on, and on. Then after you finish singing, still you see
it is going on within you. The vibration starts expanding to the
room, to the house, in everything that we look at, that rhythm is
there.
That is what is important about Haree Om Shrii
Hung, to see that rhythm. When you reach that rhythm it goes on,
and on and on. It really empties you completely of any mind you
might have. If you are thinking about something else, you are not in
the rhythm. It means you are going off of the rhythm. Bring your
mind back to
Haree Om Shrii Hung.
If you really become that rhythm, as we said, it's a
deep meditation. You don't think of anything else. The whole Spirit
within you starts dancing
Haree Om Shrii Hung with you. Then you see, after you finish,
probably tonight after you go to bed, you will have a better
Haree Om Shrii Hung than the one you had during the day,
because you close your eyes, like meditation, and your Spirit is
going to sing
Haree Om Shrii Hung the whole night [all laughing].
If you really get to the rhythm, after awhile you're
not going to be in this dimension. You're going to be in another
dimension completely, a quieter dimension. It's not this dimension
of mind. It's a completely quiet dimension. The only thing is, as I
say, you hear the rhythm, but everything is quieter. Everything
becomes quiet.
People who use drugs sometimes have that experience
of the quiet mind. I don't know. You should know [all laughing]. I
heard about that.
You don't have to use drugs to reach there, you can
get there with meditation and
Haree Om Shrii Hung. The only way you can explain it is,
everything is quieter. Time is lucid. For instance, a minute seems
like years. You experience that kind of experience. This is higher
consciousness.
So if you really get the kirtan, it has a lot of
benefits. Also when you sing, dance, and play an instrument, it
brings a greater degree of rhythm between your physical, mental,
emotional and spiritual bodies. You become more graceful, more in
tune with all the levels. Your physical body doesn't take you this
way, your mind takes you that way, and your Spirit is gone. You just
bring them all together. You become healthier because by bringing
these three in harmony with one another, you bring greater health to
yourself also.
What is the goal of healing? To teach ourselves how
to heal ourselves. So all these little tools are given to us to use
to intune ourselves better to the Spirit. Of course, other people
might look at it and say, "It looks weird." Actually, I was going to
ask you, "Have you ever done such a weird thing for such a long time
[all laughing]? The mind says, "I have better things to do, then to
go around chanting for nine hours. What is this?" But it has great
spiritual, physical and mental benefits for everyone. That's why
probably it's a good idea, even if you don't do it at all for a
whole year, to do twelve hours a year. That's not too much, is it?
So we will keep that tradition, especially if we
have more people. Just imagine if we have five to six hundred people
dancing and chanting it. A lot of people are going to go right to
samadhi, when they realize that rhythm. Imagine five hundred people
getting into that rhythm together. It's going to be fantastic.
Another day of Pentecost!
So tonight is the last night of our Satsangs. First
of all I have to thank everyone who helped us to get this center and
come here, and all the people who came to help from Florida. Thanks
goes to them, like your mother, Dottie Sue, Heather and all the
wonderful people. We wish they were all here, but they're not.
That's OK. Those who were supposed to be here, were.
Also thanks to everyone who helped the Feast go so
smoothly and nicely. We solved all the problems that were here. Of
course, there was one problem we couldn't solve. We tried, it didn't
work. I guess we tried anyway. We hope we at least affected them (in
a good sense) a little bit.
Question: In the Haree Om Shrii Hung, I
felt the vibration. Why is it when you do it in another language, in
Sanskrit, it's higher than in English?
Maitreya: Sanskrit is the closest language on
earth to the spiritual language. Actually the spiritual language, as
the name of the Lord, cannot be pronounced on earth. That's why the
Holy Name that we give to initiates, in the different parts of the
initiations, cannot be pronounced in the external world, because the
spiritual world is much subtler than the external world.
That's why in the Hebrew tribes, uttering the name
of the Lord was forbidden. Later on if you uttered the name of the
Lord, they would stone you. The reason was, they knew It could not
be pronounced. That's why even the name Jehovah, or Jehwah, or
whatever they try to say, is not His Name. His Name is never
pronounced. It always was four consonants (not pronounceable) as the
representation of the name of the Lord. They never wrote it out.
The moment you try to write it, the moment you try
to pronounce it, it loses its vibration, because it's in Spirit. The
name of the Lord is in Spirit.
When we make a language and we talk, it is no longer
in Spirit, it's in the physical level. Even on the ethereal level,
it cannot be pronounced, because still that is manifested.
So that language, that spiritual language, sometimes
comes to some people and they speak in tongues. But the moment they
speak it, again, it is no longer the spiritual language. It becomes
crude and comes to earth.
That's why they need an interpreter, to interpret
what the person who spoke in tongues meant. That person who
translates the speaking in tongues, really translates from his or
her spirit. It's not just tongues that are spoken, it's Spirit that
talks to that person and it can be interpreted in that level.
If you listen to the people who speak in tongues,
you hear what they say is very close to Sanskrit. Of course, it's
not exactly the same thing but it's very close to Sanskrit. That's
why Sanskrit is the closest language to the Spirit on earth.
Our Haree Om Shrii Hung mantra has also been
chosen from Sanskrit because it is closer to the spiritual energy in
us. That is why you felt Its wonderful energy, and that is the
reason why it was chosen.
Question: How come there are so few people in
the
Mission of Maitreya considering the number of years since you
started and the fact that you are the Messiah?
Maitreya: Well, we have to be thankful that we
haven't been crucified yet [all laughing]. Just study the life of
every Prophet and every Messiah who came. The result was opposition,
and only a few people gathered around him. They came to him because
his teaching was completely different than anything they had ever
heard before.
Actually I discussed this matter many times. This
question has been asked many, many times, and I answered this many,
many times. I hope eventually this answer is established in
everyone's mind.
Just study other Prophets. Anytime someone came and
brought a new religion, a new message, a new teaching, the old
set-up opposed him. They resisted to forego their old set-up, and
accept the new and better one. That is the nature of men. They
resist change, even if it is good for them. Just read the
Old Testament, what did they do to the Prophets? They
crucified them. They threw them out of the cities. The kings didn't
listen to them. Even when a king did, the people didn't listen to
the king because the king was saying something that the people
didn't want to hear, and on, and on.
So please get the answer. The answer is, anytime the
Prophets come with a new message, there is a great opposition to it
and toward it. If we understand that, we will completely realize
that actually the whole thing this time was provided for us in such
a way that I can sit here and talk about these things without being
afraid of being arrested or prosecuted, because God had already set
up the situation that having different opinions, or religions, is
not prosecutable in this country.
Why has this been provided? So now we can easily and
much better reach out to humanity with our Message. Actually, when
we find contactees in other countries, one of my concerns for that
contactee is, if he or she might get in trouble because they are
preaching our Mission. Of course, a lot of countries probably have been
affected by the western style of accepting many religions in their
country. So they are not as opposed to different organizations.
For instance, we have a couple of gentlemen in
Nigeria who are connected to us. I was concerned for them. But they
said they have Christianity, Islam, some African religions, and also
many branches of Hinduism in their country. So I felt more
comfortable.
If I had started this Mission in an Islamic
country, where they are very strict Islamic, I probably wouldn't be
here talking to you. If you are not a Moslem, you are an infidel.
Whoever is an infidel, his blood is pretty much not worth anything.
So we have to consider all these facts.
We are saying the truth and humanity has a hard time
to accept the truth. When the dogmas creep into a religion, that is
usually when the religion becomes accepted by the mass. When there
is a dogma that is simple and is easily accepted, everyone says, "Oh
yeah, I want to hear, if the only thing required is that I accept
that Prophet as the last Prophet. OK. He is the last Prophet. Now I
can go do whatever I want to." Or if, "It's the only way," "OK.
That's the only way. I accept, I can now go wherever I want and do
whatever I want."
But in the beginning, the founder is usually pretty
strict. He says, "If you want to go to God, you have to follow the
Eternal Divine Path." Following the Eternal Divine Path
is not easy. In the Spirit it is easy. In the flesh it is not. When
you reach the Spirit, it is very simple. You say, "That is the only
way." You look at it and say, "That makes sense. It's possible." But
in the flesh, "Oh, no, I join with others to make a community, I
have to sacrifice, I have to become submissive to God, I have to
become a universalist?" The flesh says no to it. It's very hard to
follow that.
But in Spirit it is not. It's very simple. It easily
can be done. That's why this call from the
Mission is to the people who are in Spirit, those who have
gone to a level of spiritual progress where they say, "Yes, that
makes sense. I have been waiting for it. I've been looking for this
truth. I've been searching for this wonderful thing. Now I accept it
as my way, or as a new revelation, or a new religion," whatever you
want to call it. It depends on how you define religion.
Actually, if a movement gains a lot of people into
it, sometimes you have to be a little concerned about that, and see
what's going on that so many people are joining it without any
reservation or anything like that.
God Himself has a hard time to find a few good
people, a few good men to join Him. So people in the Spirit who are
willing to go in the Spirit and be with the Spirit are rare.
You are rare people, sitting here listening to this
new revelation which is completely beyond most of your backgrounds,
the backgrounds you've been brought up in. It's against my own
background, the way I was brought up. So I should have been a pretty
far out person that God said, "I give this to you and you will
accept it."
At first I said, "No, I can't do that. You mean all
these other religions are the same as Islam, Judaism, and
Christianity?" Islam just accepts three religions as the people of
the book, Islam, Christianity and Judaism (at least tradition says
so).
According to them, Hinduism is not of the people of
the book. But God guided me into Hinduism, and to learn and know
about it before He revealed this truth to me. So I was pretty
impressed with the Mystical Paths and Hinduism before the revelation
came to me.
When I understood the concepts of karma,
reincarnation, and Dharma, they made sense. For the first time
religions made sense to me. Before that they didn't. "The only way
is this way. Don't ask questions. We can't answer you."
I had a lot of questions. "Where is God, I can't see
Him? Where is He? Show me God." I was a pretty materialistic-minded,
scientific-minded person. I wanted to see God. If you show me God, I
will accept It. If I can't see It, It's not there.
Actually, I was very interested in dialectic
materialism, "Everything is by chance. Everything is matter.
Everything happened by chance and evolution, etc. So there is no
intelligence behind it to guide it." It's much simpler that way. If
there was no religion, I would have been a very scientific-minded
person. If there was no God, I would have been comfortable with it.
But I bumped into this Guru from India who said,
"God is everything." Now, that made sense. God is everything. So the
chair is God, the air is God, the earth is God. Then I could see
God. He showed me God.
Look at your hand. It's the most wonderful grabbing
thing in the universe. It's so flexible. It grabs, it moves, it
bends. It adjusts itself to every grabbing situation. Who made this?
It can't be by chance. The possibility that it happened by chance is
even more remote than if there is an Intelligence behind it, that
perfected it to be a very wonderful grabbing instrument.
Then I could realize God in seeing the creation.
That's where it started. I could see the creation was made with such
a wonderful Intelligence behind it. It couldn't be by chance.
As I said, the statistical possibility of the whole
creation, which is such a wonderful creation, having been created by
chance is more remote than if it was created by an Intelligence, by
the Spirit behind it.
I also started meditating. Through meditation, of
course, there were experiences. There were realizations. There were
feelings inside that confirmed what was outside. So I found God
within and God without. It's the same thing, within you and without
you. God is everywhere. Close your eyes, you can meditate. Open your
eyes, you can meditate.
If you are really in a meditative state, you don't have to close
your eyes to meditate.
You can look at another person. The other person has
eyes, has a nose, has a mouth. He can walk. He can talk. Who created
all these wonderful instruments? He has a mind. He has a brain. He
can think. He can discern. He has intelligence. He can conclude, and
all those things. Who gave him all those things? Where did they come
from? What is mind? What is the intelligence in each person? What
makes us to think? Where did that thought come from? Where do the
decisions we make come from?
All these things have to be questioned. When we
question them, we realize God more and more. We believe in the
Universal Mind. There is a Mind behind our mind. He is really the
Thinker. He Thinks! He lets us know. He makes us believe.
Therefore, according to my background, this teaching
is a very far out teaching. I had to adjust myself. Actually, God
had already taken care of it because I really wasn't a religious
person when I came to the United States. I was a completely
materialistic person, material was it. As I said, I bumped into my
Guru, my teacher, who said, "God is everything." That made sense. I
was amazed at how simple it was to realize God. How simple it was,
and I was missing it for thirty years.
I eventually ended up spending a very intensive
period with the revelations (Holy Books, etc), that actually became
so intense that I had to leave Mississippi to go for a vacation, to
get away from it all.
I had a cousin living in Chicago, and I said, "I'm
just going to go visit my cousin. I'll stay there for a week and
just will forget all this crazy trend of thought and revelations.
Then I'll come back and finish my education, pass my comprehensive
examinations, write my thesis, receive my doctorate, and go back
home."
My family was waiting for me. They wanted me to
finish my education and go back home. They already had everything
planned for me, how it was going to be.
Then I went to Chicago. The first night I arrived
there, my cousin said, "Do you want to go see the Baha'i Temple
tomorrow?" I said, "OK." The next day we went to the Baha'i Temple.
When I came to the steps, the first thing I saw were all these
signs, the swastika (
),
the sign of Solomon, (
)
the cross of Christianity (
),
the crescent moon of Islam (
)
and the nine-pointed star of the Baha'i Faith (
).
Oh, just a flash of realization came in!
The decision of forgetting about this trend of
thought was out. The whole next week was spent reading about Baha'i
and his teaching and all those things. Eventually
The Greatest Sign started to be formed.
All the prophecies seemed to be fulfilling. All the
prophecies are fulfilled. Little by little He revealed that this is
the
Mission that I have to do.
Now I had to finish my education and receive my
degree. I didn't have a visa to stay in this country. The
immigration office and the university were after me to finish my
exams. At the same time this revelation was coming to me. Also I
wasn't sure. I said, "Why me? I'm just here to finish my education.
You've got the wrong person. I can't be the one. There are so many
people out there, You can get one of them. I just want to finish my
education."
So I left the university area and went to another
small city for two months. I lived in one apartment by myself, just
meditating, going over the Scriptures, revelations,
The Greatest Sign, etc.
Eventually He convinced me that there was no choice
for me. That was it, I had to go for it. I had no visa, no money. I
had to finish my education, pass my exams, and all those things.
By now the immigration office was sending me
letters, "If you don't take your exams within a month, you have to
leave." And they were right, in their level of consciousness. I was
just here to study. I was not here to get involved in these things.
They had just let me in to get my degree. But God had something else
in mind!
Anyway, from there everything evolved. I went to
Denver and one day I had only one cent in my pocket, and I had this
revelation to change the world to the new Kingdom Of Heaven On
Earth. That is called desperate, isn't it? No visa, no place to
stay, receiving letters, "Get out of the country," I can't study
anymore, etc.
This revelation and trend of thought was so powerful
that I couldn't even touch the college books. At the same time I had
no worry about all this at all because I knew it was going to
happen. It wasn't important. None of them was important. The
important thing was, that was what I had to do.
Of course, you know the rest of the story. We talked
about it last year, for a whole session. Now we are here. We have
The Greatest Sign.
Quite a few people have touched this revelation.
Some people really started doing it and helping out. There are
probably thousands of people out there who know about us. Our name
is even in the book,
The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow by Constance Cumby.
The woman who wrote that book doesn't know anything
about us, of course. The only thing she said was that she knows
about an organization called the
Mission of Maitreya. She's very against Maitreya. But
she doesn't realize, "Many will come in my name...and will deceive
many."
Actually the point she builds all the book on, as to
why the other Maitreyas are false, is the same point that we don't
agree on with the other Maitreyas. We agree with her. So really she
is proving indirectly that the Mission of Maitreya is the true one, the real one.
According to her, they (the other Maitreyas) believe
that Esa (Jesus) wasn't the only begotten Son, and on, and on. We do
believe that Christ was and is the First and Only Begotten Son. So
her reasoning completely supports our position, that we are the real
one, not those whom she tries to discredit. Of course, she doesn't
know too much about our teaching and what we do. She just mentions
that we're out there, an organization called the Mission of Maitreya.
So in a couple of years of being here, with that
kind of start, it is not bad to even have your name in a well-read
book. Actually I'm pleased with the progress of the
Mission of Maitreya because I believe that God is doing it.
The Spirit of God is touching people. The Spirit of God is awakening
us. The Spirit of God is letting a lot of people see the vision.
I don't understand why you think that there are not
enough people connected to the
Mission of Maitreya, because there are many people connected.
Very wonderful people are connected, people whose spirits want to
do, they are strong people. They want to do something about this.
They want to be involved.
We don't have as many followers as Rajneesh had. I
don't want to have that kind of environment, teaching, etc. Of
course, he had some truth too. Everyone has some truth, but we have
to see on what level it is.
We're not putting his truth down. But his truth is
still a very small part of
The Greatest Sign. See, if he says something that is the
truth, we accept that as a part of the truth of God. But still that
is narrow. That is an extraction of Hinduism. That's the problem
with most of the Gurus who came to the West. They were mostly
Hindus, and they were preaching Hinduism.
We don't preach Hinduism. We don't preach Islam. We
don't preach Christianity. We don't preach Judaism. We don't preach
the Baha'i Faith. We preach all of them, at the same time, none of
them. The whole is greater than the parts! We put them all together.
We don't give you only Hindu names, or Sanskrit
names. We give Arabic names, Persian names, Japanese names. The
whole idea is much broader, much greater than just following a Sufi,
or following a Guru, or following a Master.
This is the new wine. In history, it is shown that
new wine is almost always not accepted as readily as other teachers
and other teachings. So again I refer you to the life of the other
Prophets, the
Old Testament, Christ, Moses, Noah, etc. You can see all of
them went through a great struggle.
Actually, compared with all of them, this lifetime
we really didn't go through that much of a struggle. We didn't have
stones thrown at us. We weren't thrown out of a city, or the desert,
etc. And of course, we're still alive.
We don't know what's going to happen in the future.
But it is not prophesied that it is going to happen that way in this
lifetime.
Of course, I am hoping that everyone comes and joins
us. The sooner this happens, the sooner the Kingdom will come and
human suffering will stop. However, the human is stubborn. They will
not submit until they go through a great tribulation and see our
teaching is the only way out: One God, one religion, one people, one
world.
We want all people who are dedicated to come. The
first ones especially have to be really dedicated. If the first ones
are not dedicated, forget about the tenth level and the fifteenth
levels. It's completely not going to work. That's why it's so
important to only accept dedicated people, at least in the
beginning.
God said, "Many are called, few will be chosen." I
am not the one who chooses, God chooses you. That's why if you're
not chosen, or you are chosen, it's between you and Him.
My responsibility is to give this Message. Do you
like the Message? Does it make sense? Then my work is done. Now it
is your Message. Now you have to give it to others, wherever you
are, to whomever you meet, in any situation you are in. Have you
done that? Then come and join us to create
Communities of Light, that we may have greater Light to share
with others.
If I can enlighten, or light, as the first flame,
thirteen other flames, and these thirteen can light another thirteen
who join, and those go out and touch others, each fifty or a
hundred, eventually we will have a lot of people who will be in
touch with the Light, with the
Mission.
But it's going to take time. You're going to go back
and say, "Yes, that makes sense. I Love the Message. I want to go
and touch everyone I know." So you go and you touch them, and they
say, "Are you OK? Did
Maitreya do something to you? Did he brainwash you? Is it a
cult?" and all these questions.
Of course, as I said many times, our work is even
harder because of what happened in the 60's and 70's. A lot of cult
groups, a lot of teachers, false teachers, and false religions came
to the West, and they did a lot of damage. Now everyone is afraid of
any organization or any movement. They say, "Oh, this is a cult too,
like anyone else."
But that was also prophesied, "Many will come and
call themselves Christ." They call themselves teachers. Actually
there are more teachers than students. Everyone says, "I know, I can
teach you. I can become a teacher." Just look at the spiritual
organizations in the yellow pages. There are so many different
things from palm reading, to crystals, to tea leaf reading, and on,
and on. There are page after page of New Age movements, and all
those things.
Even those who are not advertising, if you talk with
them they say, "We are perfect, we know everything already." They
don't know anything. Also who becomes a teacher? Shirley MacLaine
becomes a teacher. She charges you $700-$800 to be with her for a
weekend because she's an artist. Then we charge $777 for eight days
and everyone says, "Oh, no, you are expensive."
What do you expect? People like that kind of
glamour. They go for glamour. If an artist or someone talks about
chakras, she's worth more. "Oh, that's fine, $700 for one night,
great." There it is, they go for it. Probably she has more followers
than we do.
But you shouldn't count the strength and the truth
by the number of the followers, but by the Message itself, by the
Truth itself.
Actually sometimes I feel this question is a little
negative because if you saw the Message and you liked the Message,
and you saw the truth, why concentrate on the number of followers?
Who cares how many people are here? How many people
were with Christ when he was crucified? There was no one there to
take him off the cross. Everyone left him. Even his closest
disciples left him. They were with him three years. They spent time
with him. They saw the miracles. They saw his teaching, his love,
his compassion, his understanding, and everything. They loved him.
Peter said, "I love you. I'm going to come to the
cross with you." But Christ said, "By sunrise you're going to deny
me three times." As someone said the other night, "There were only
four people with Christ when he was crucified." So if you look at
all these things, you see that actually the
Mission is not doing bad at all.
Therefore, consider these things. Don't look at the
world. Don't look at the glamorous things that are happening with
some people, like Ramtha. Do you like truth, or do you like a show?
One of the things to discern and understand as to
who is the true one, is to look at if they fulfill the prophecies.
That's another way God wanted us not to be deceived by the
appearances. That's why God sent all those prophecies.
The Christians and Jews are waiting for their
Messiah to come from the East. The Hindus and Buddhists from Tibet
are waiting for the Messiah to come from the West. Now, look at my
birth place. Where is it located? It is located east of Jerusalem
and west of Tibet. One prophecy fulfilled.
"He will not call himself Christ." Who is Christ? I
didn't say
Maitreya is Christ. They put an ad in every major capital in
the world that
Maitreya is the Christ. Did I give the name to myself? I did
not. So
Maitreya is the Christ. I never called myself Maitreya.
Fulfillment of another prophecy.
"Many will come and call THEMSELVES Christ." They
call themselves Christ. Christ himself doesn't call himself
Maitreya. Fulfillment of the prophecy.
Many, many other things that are fulfilled. So if
you look at these prophecies and see the Message, the Message is
exactly according to prophecy. The Kingdom is the way to come. The
prophecies are fulfilled. Who cares how many people are following?
So don't let those things bring doubt to you.
Concentrate on the greater things, then we will all really be as One
together in Him. Also, as I said, when the true Messiah came, when
Christ came, when Muhammad came, when Moses came, when Noah came,
see how they were treated by humanity.
Humanity doesn't want to know the truth. They don't
want to unify. Actually some people might even be threatened by our
teaching. They probably say, "It's against our interest and the
geo-political set-up we have created on earth." But how long can you
continue with the geo-political set-up when that means to suppress
other people, or to destroy the whole earth and blow the earth up
many times over? Eventually you have to give in.
We are already seeing these geo-political set-ups
are crumbling. God is destroying and taking back the blessing He
gave to the Children of Abram (Abraham).
The Romans opposed Christ's teaching in the
beginning but eventually they accepted it as their national
religion. So if you look at all these things and see all the signs
that are there, the place we go to is fine. Just go to the Spirit
and look at everything from the Spirit. You'll see there is no fear
there at all, but the fear itself. You have to go somewhere where
even the fear fears to follow you. Can you do that? Can you go
somewhere where the fear fears to follow you? Then you will see God
and His Hand in our work.
Question: What is proof to you?
Maitreya: We just talked about it. It's all the
proof, the proof that God exists, the proof that this universe is
created by the Spirit, with Intelligence, with the Universal Mind,
the proof that we exist and there is life in us.
That itself is a miracle, that we're alive. We can
move our hands. We can see. We can talk. We can sing. We can sit. We
can stand. All of these are proof that there is something incredible
in this universe.
Life exists. And what is life? It's God. If there
was no life, we would never know that there was a universe there.
There is a universe out there and we are alive, so the life exists.
We have the life. This is the proof.
What is that life? It is God. How has this life been
guided through the eons to create such a wonderful universe? It has
been guided with Intelligence, with the Universal Mind, with God. I
don't know what other kind of proof you really need.
Of course, the question is a very Zen kind of
question. It doesn't have any real direction. What kind of proof are
you looking for? Can we ask who asked this question?
Question: Two questions. Does God evolve with
us, and show this evolvement through the son? God always was. Did He
have all of the intelligence for the future, the whole, everything,
and then He evolved through man? Like where we are now, if God
projected Himself it would all be done. Everything would be
perfected and mankind would be perfected. So God evolves with us, or
we with Him?
: Let me put it this way. If you read
our explanation of the creation in
THOTH, everything came from consciousness and the
three creative forces. So before any creation, consciousness and the
three gunas were in a state of balance, nothing was created. The
whole universe was in the state of pure bliss, pure, no creation,
everything in balance. The only thing that really existed was
consciousness.
The three gunas, or creative forces, were not yet
released. They weren't crudifying anything. In that state God, you
can say, was in the state of sleep. So no awareness existed of the
external world. The only thing probably was the state of dreaminess.
That dreaminess was completely un-manifested.
The moment God woke up, it was just like when we
wake up, we don't know where we are. The first thing we remember is,
"Oh I know, I know something." The next thing is, "I do." We jump up
from our bed, that is, "I do, I can move." Then we start
remembering, "Oh yeah, this is my room. We are in this center. We
are having the Feast of Tabernacles," exactly the same process that
God went through when the creation started.
Creation goes to sleep after awhile. That's how we
have the nights and days of Brahma, or how God evolves. He comes to
existence. He wakes up and He doesn't remember where He is. Of
course, scientists call it the big bang. He wakes up and the big
bang starts. A couple of seconds later God remembers, "Oh yeah, I
know, I know something." Then He starts moving, "Oh yeah, I can do."
And then He starts remembering, "Yeah, I created the universe a
couple of billion years ago," and so on.
Then the creative forces start crudifying everything
from consciousness, to ether, to earth, to fire, to liquid, and to
solid states. As these things evolved, God also remembered in a
deeper degree how His universe was created and how His universe
works. When everything was evolved to the solid phase, then because
of these three creative forces, ego evolved.
Not only does God know, God does, and God remembers,
also each unit consciousness, each spark of God in the universe, has
the capability of knowing, doing, and remembering.
That is when the unit consciousnesses evolve. When
the unit consciousnesses evolve, because of these three creative
forces, and especially tama guna (the remembrance), we separate
ourselves from the universe. We create an illusion of being
completely separate consciousnesses.
We like to talk about what a wonderful thing we did.
We remember all our lives what wonderful powers we have, or the
wonderful things we did in our lifetime, because they are related to
our ego, that we did all those things. We have a past. We have a
remembrance. These things are related to the ego.
So because of that separation, the illusion of
separation, we have a separated ego. That is when Maya comes in.
Maya really means illusion of separation from God.
If you don't feel separated from God, you have no
illusion. You know these things are not absolute truth, they are a
relative truth. They are truth, they are real, but they are not
absolute truth. They are relative truth. Their Essence is not what
we see. Their Essence is consciousness and the three gunas.
And because of that illusion of separation the ego
evolved, the unit consciousnesses evolved, and eventually everything
evolved to plants, animals, and humans, etc. Humans then think they
are separated from God because of their ego.
Then we have to meditate on God, or remember, or
after many lifetimes eventually reach a point and say, "This does
not work. How many times am I going to go and see all the places in
the world? I had such a desire to go to California, to Paris, to
Florida, to Saudi Arabia, India, wherever I wanted to go, and still
I am unhappy." Or, "I wanted one car. I got one car. I got two cars.
I wanted an airplane. I got an airplane. I wanted a yacht. I got a
yacht."
You could even be richer than Trump, and then the
next day everything goes down the drain. Even he was not satisfied.
He had to have a scandal because he wasn't satisfied with what he
had. He still wanted something else.
So if Trump is not happy, are we ever going to
become rich like him? Even if you do, still you are not going to be
happy. So probably he's pretty disillusioned himself right now. He's
looking for something, something that is more satisfying than having
all that real estate, and money, and Taj Mohall, etc. He wants
something that will fill him up.
What is that? Eventually when you are ready you bump
into your teacher. He says, "Hi, you need God. You don't need all
that junk. You have to be connected to God."
That is when you realize, "Yes, I am here to
be(come) Divine. That is the goal of the life. That is why I am
here. I'm not here to be a lawyer. I'm not here to be a doctor. I'm
not here to be a professor. I'm not here to be a teacher. I'm not
here to make all that money. I'm here to know God, be with God and
do His Will. I am here to become Divine."
Of course, we're not opposed to you being a lawyer,
being a teacher, being a scientist, being a doctor. But you have to
become a Divine Doctor, a Divine Lawyer, a Divine Scientist, a
Divine Teacher. Your first priority is to become Divine. That is the
goal of the life. The rest is secondary to this.
After you are Divine, you can be whatever you were
created to be. You can become an acupuncturist, a Divine
Acupuncturist, or a Divine Mother, or a Divine Father, or whatever
it is your call to be.
You see that the whole Plan evolves from God to
everything, but at the same time everything evolves with God. So
there is no explanation for, are we evolving from human to God, or
are we evolving from God to human? The whole thing, when that big
bang started, spontaneously happened.
If you have reached Pure Consciousness in a previous
creation, this time when the creation is created, you will still be
in Pure Consciousness. Your work is done. But if you were pretty
close to Pure Consciousness, probably you would become a teacher in
the next creation. It depends on how much you work toward God.
See, you don't lose anything in spiritual progress.
In everything else you lose. It doesn't matter how many houses you
have. When you die, you leave the houses. No matter how wonderful a
body you have, when you die, the body stays here and you go. The
only thing you take with you is your Soul and Spirit. Everything
else remains behind. Everything else!
So that is why you have to work on your Soul, not on
your body, or your possessions, or anything else. Those things are
Maya. Those things are going to stay behind.
But if you gain the slightest progress in your
spirit, you are going to take that with you to the next life. Does
it make sense? Does that answer your question?
Question: So the more we're open to God and
realize God, the faster we evolve?
: I don't think God is against us to be
comfortable, or to have material possessions, or having enough to
eat, or a place to sleep.
We can look at the stories about many people who had
many possessions, like Job. Job was a very rich man, wasn't he? He
had a garden, many servants, etc, but at the same time, he was a
chosen person on earth to God.
Even the devil came to God, and God said, "What do
you think about my servant Job?" The devil said, "Sure, you give all
the good things to him. What do you expect? Of course, he's going to
love you."
Actually regular humans are exactly the opposite.
When they are rich, comfortable, and everything goes their way, they
forget about God. The moment they are in trouble, they kneel and ask
God for help. It is then that they remember Him. That is not the
kind of servant, follower, or lover He wants.
Still God said, "OK, now we're going to take away
everything we gave to Job, to see if he's still going to Love Me."
So what happened? God took his children, took his wife, took his
possessions, gave him disease, put him to ashes, etc.
The people came and said, "Come on, give up God."
All his friends came and sat with him, and they meditated together
for seven days. Eventually they said, "The only way you can get out
of these problems is if you just forsake God." Job said, "No, that I
can't do." They said, "Why do you want this God who takes all your
money away from you, your wife away from you, gives you disease,
your children are all dead, etc. Just curse Him and you're going to
be OK."
That's what the devil wanted him to do. If Job had
cursed God, He wouldn't have given everything back to him. But Job
said, "No, I won't. I won't do that. I will continue just loving
God."
So the whole question is, how attached are we to our
possessions? Not how much comfort and possessions we have, but how
attached are we to them? Who is our Master, God or the world?
It is just like that story about this poor yogi, who
had a Guru. He was always working for him, serving him, being with
him, and loving him. He progressed so fast that his Guru said one
day, "You know everything I know. I can't teach you any more."
The yogi said, "Where am I going to go? I just know
you as my Guru and my teacher. I can't go anywhere. If I know
everything from you, what is the next step?" The Guru said, "Well,
you have to go to such a such a city, a large city somewhere in
India, and there is a person by the name of King Joneka. You go and
spend time with him, and he is going to teach you greater things
than I."
This yogi was pretty upset about his teacher's
suggestion that he go and work with a king. So from the very
beginning he started thinking about, "I am a great yogi who suffers,
and who doesn't have anything in his life but two underwear. I wash
one and put it out to dry, and put the other one on. Whenever that
one is dirty, I wash this one and put that other one on. I have
nothing. I am naked. The only possession I have are these two
underwear, and he wants me to go to learn from this rich king who
probably thinks he's the greatest king in the world?" His mind just
started going on, and on, babbling [laughing].
But in India, when your teacher says something,
that's it. That's the word of God. You don't argue with it. You
don't say, "You are pushing me," or "You are pushy," or "You do it
this way, or that way." It's just that you go and do it.
So he didn't have any choice. He said, "OK, I'm
going to go and see who this Joneka is. But I'm not going to stay
with him. I'm just going to listen to my teacher to go there, but I
will not stay."
So he went to King Joneka and he said to the guard
at the gate, "Go and say to Joneka that this great yogi is here and
he wants to see him right away." The messenger went to the king and
said, "A naked man is at the door. He was sent by his teacher to see
you. He says he is a great yogi, and he wants to see you. But his
attitude is very bad. We can't even stand his attitude. He doesn't
want to be a little polite, to ask if he can see King Joneka." King
Joneka said to him, "OK, send him to such and such a room, tell him
to bathe, and when I'm ready I'm going to call him."
That hurt the yogi. "Who does this king think he is,
that he's sending me away, and telling me to wait for him for a
couple of hours?" He really was in a bad mood now. His mind was
going in a hundred different directions.
Anyway, this yogi went and took a bath. He washed
his one underwear, put it up to be dried, and sat there and started
meditating. He said, "Oh well, at least I have a nice quiet place to
meditate."
After about twenty minutes of meditation, suddenly
someone yelled, "The castle is on fire!"
The first thing the yogi thought was, "Oh, my
underwear is going to burn" [all laughing]. He jumped up and ran to
save his underwear. While he was trying to do this, he saw King
Joneka staying there calm, with no attachment to all his castle and
city. The king ordered, "You get the water. You go there, put the
water here," and with complete detachment was putting the fire out.
The yogi suddenly saw it clearly. He said to
himself, "Wow, look at that. His whole kingdom is on fire and he's
detached about it. He doesn't care. I have only one underwear and I
am attached to it."
After he put the fire out, the time came and King
Joneka said, "OK, bring that yogi to me now to see what he has to
say." Then the yogi realized that King Joneka was a great yogi, he
was a great master, a great realized Soul. He was not attached. He
had all the kingdom, all the castle, but he didn't care. He was more
attached to God.
So that's the way our comfort also should be. If
we're comfortable, that's OK. But we shouldn't gain the world and
lose our Soul. That is the price we are going to pay if we are
attached to the world. If the world can buy our Soul, then it's not
a good bargain.
You have to go and say, "No, thank you very much, I
don't want your money. I don't want your offering. I don't want this
comfort. I don't want this castle. I don't want this kingdom because
I have to sell my Soul."
As I said, the only thing that can progress is your
Soul, isn't it? Anything else, even your kingdom, is going to be
left here. The only thing you are going to take with you is your
Soul. That is why you have to watch your Soul very carefully, not to
sell it. The more you sell your Soul, the more you did a bad
bargain. You lost the only thing you have, the only jewel in you
which has to progress to God.
You gain the world, but when you die and leave the
world, your Soul goes to the other world and you are asked, "What
did you do?" You would answer, "Nothing. I just sold my Soul. I had
a lot of comfort, a lot of money, a lot of things, but my Soul did
not progress." Then you will be told, "You did not learn your
lessons, you have to go back (to hell or the world) and you may
learn your lessons this time. However, this time where you are going
to be put will be worse than the life you just left."
So it's not bad if you can gain the comfort and keep
your Soul, it's OK. It is like King Joneka and/or Job, who had
everything that everyone wanted materially, but at the same time
their trust was in God. Their trust was not in this world.
That is the lesson, we should put our trust in God
completely, not in anyone in this world who might help us in any
way. If they help us in any way, they help themselves, because they
want to help their own Soul, their own spirit.
Christ was and still is a king connected to God. The
whole system we present is based on the people who will be the
leaders of the society, but they are connected to God.
That is when the Kingdom comes, when the leaders are
connected to God instead of to the material world. If they are
connected to the material world, they will have to sell their Souls.
They cannot be effective people. The earth is falling apart because
we lost those leaders who are connected to God, most of them at
least.
As I said many times, nothing is bad in this
universe, nothing at all. If God created it, it is good. If it is
useful, it is good. But by how it is used, it becomes good or evil.
It depends upon the usage of the thing, just like a knife. In the
hand of the right person it is a good tool. In the hand of a killer,
it becomes evil.
Comfort or material possessions are not bad, if you
can use them for the right purpose. Of course, if the comfort comes
to a point that it becomes superficial, if it makes you lazy, if it
makes your mind dull (that is what a lot of wealth does to the mind
and body, it makes them lazy, it makes the mind dull), then probably
you have to reevaluate your life and say, "What am I doing with this
comfort?"
So probably you can do something about it. Start
meditating, and find out why it is working that way. Eventually you
will come up with, maybe it's affecting you somehow physically,
mentally, emotionally and spiritually. You may see you are not
following God's Will, etc.
But after Job didn't give in to the devil, God gave
everything back to him even ten times more than he had. Still with
all that wealth, he Loved God alone.
That's the only requirement, don't forget your
spiritual progress no matter where you are. If you are poor, don't
forget. If you are rich, don't forget.
Of course, I like the middle path, those people who
are not too rich and not too poor. Because if you're too poor,
you're always thinking about from where the next meal will come. If
you're too rich, you become too attached to the material world.
As Christ said, "It's easier for a camel to go
through the eye of the needle than a rich man to go to God." What he
meant was, a rich man who is attached to what he has. That, of
course, becomes an obstacle in your way to God.
So the priority is our Soul. The Goal Of The
Life Is To Be(come) Divine. It doesn't say the goal of the life
is to be anything else. It is to be(come) Divine. That is why we
have been born and we are here. Anything else is secondary.
Question: Dear Maitreya, since there are
hundreds or thousands of universes, and we are committed to this
universe to become Pure Consciousness, what happens to the other
universes?
Maitreya: Dear Questioner [all laughing]. It was
so formal, like writing a letter, Dear
Maitreya.
Again it is easier to believe that there are other
universes, than that there are none. Just imagine, let's stretch our
imagination and go to the end of the universe, if we can. What
happens? Wherever it ends, that end has to end somewhere else.
Something else starts there, and then it continues also to the end
of that universe, and that ends, that has to end somewhere. The
universe is infinite.
We know around twenty billion light years of this
universe, because that is the limit that they have found so far for
this universe. They haven't seen it. They have realized it with the
infrared analysis from the galaxies twenty billion light years away.
We haven't seen it, but we know there are twenty billion light years
that stretches out. It's even longer than that. They are finding new
boundaries every day.
Only God knows the limit and how many are there. We
are in this universe, and even in this universe we're in one galaxy.
Even in the whole galaxy, we are in one of the billions of solar
systems that are around us. Even in the whole of this solar system,
we are one of twelve planets. Then in the earth we are just a speck
of it. We are little humans.
So compared with the whole scheme, we are really
smaller than a particle of dust, even smaller than a molecule, or an
atom in the whole. Now God gives us the opportunity to know Him, to
reach Pure Consciousness, to reach a greater degree in understanding
Him.
We are marching and trying to help all this universe
to Pure Consciousness. Now the question is, what happened to the
other universes?
Probably after we are done with this universe we
will go to other universes [all laughing]. Who knows maybe there is
a parallel universe? Maybe right now there is another universe and
Maitreya is sitting there in the chair. All those people from
Canada are in those universes [all laughing]. The people from
Massachusetts are in those universes sitting at the Duncan Center in
those universes. They don't like the food in that center, and they
are going the same place that we are. They are asking the same
questions about other universes, and
Maitreya is answering exactly the way I am answering [all
laughing].
Let's help this universe to Pure Consciousness
first, then when we are done with it, we can worry about the other
ones. They are so far away, that it boggles the human mind. Even
thinking about this universe alone is mind-boggling, twenty billion
light years. That means, if you travel 300 kilometers a second it
takes you twenty billion years to reach the end of the universe. 300
kilometers is what? How many kilometers is it from here to Canada?
Probably around 2,000 kilometers. So you can go to Canada from here
in seven seconds at the speed of light. Now go twenty billion years
to reach the end. Still, no one is sure that is really the end,
maybe it's not and there is more than that. Some people say we can
send a family, or a couple of families by spaceship, and then they
can have plants, food, and everything grown for them, and they can
have children and their children are going to have children. Then
repeat the same process and continue until they reach there. But
still, going for twenty billion years?
