MAITREYA, Conversations with
02/28/04

Maitreya:  What we have to tell these people who are hesitating or they feel it is not going to happen is, that they have to understand the Will of God, the Word of God, and the Way God has envisioned it and revealed it to humanity.

The Christians have to realize that God did promise to Abram also that the Prophet would come from the Children of Abram, that He did bring that promise to fruition and gave fruit as Prophet Muhammad, that He did promise the Children of Abram or the father of Ishmael that they would have a great part of the earth as a possession.  And they do.  They have it from Saudi Arabia to North Africa, all the way to Spain and South America.  So these are all the Children of Abram.

Also God said He is going to be a Mystery until the Seventh Angel comes.  So neither Christians, neither Jews, neither Hindus, neither Buddhists, nor Moslems know the Mystery of God until the Seventh Revelation comes.  Therefore all of them are hanging onto their dogmas, their misunderstandings, or their own understandings.  Our job is to make it clear to them and show them the Word of God; that God said these Revelations were going to come. 

If Christians and Jews realize that God also promised Abram that Prophet Muhammad was going to come, there is no way for a Christian to imagine that Christ is the only way because God did not say only a Prophet would come from the Children of Abraham.  He said there was also going to be a Prophet or the Scepter would come from the Children of Abram. 

Abram was the father of Ishmael.  Then God changed His name to Abraham, and He became the father of Isaac.  Then God promised the same thing, the birthright and the scepter to Him as well.

If they realize that, then Christians have no choice but to say, “Yes, this is the Word of God.  We did not know it because the Seventh Angel had not revealed it to us.  He had not come to reveal to humanity that this is the way God did it.”

If they realize that Jacob, at the time of his death, said that Judah would be the king, that kings would come from Judah, and when the Shiloh, or the Messiah, comes, that promise would be finished, then the Jews are not going to continue believing that they are still chosen people.

Yes, they were chosen people.  They did have the greatest king ever, David, and all those promises that God gave to them, until the Shiloh came.  When the Shiloh came, that Kingdom was taken away from them and given to another nation.

If the Jews understand that, then they will not continue being in this misunderstanding that they are still the chosen people.  If they realize that, they will relent to Christianity and accept Christians as legitimate based on the Revelation of a Messiah.  Christ came and brought it to them.

Christians will realize that Prophet Muhammad had to come.  Moslems have to realize that God promised Seven Revelations, not Four Revelations, therefore Baha’u’llah, Bab, Baba, and Maitreya had to come before the last Revelation had come to humanity.

But we have to explain it in such a logical way that God did it.  God said He was going to seal the vision of the end time and no one would know it until this Revelation. 

You know more than the Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, and Christians about the Plan of God, more than anyone else on earth.  You can logically explain to them how God promised these things, and they have to forego their own dogmas and understandings, and come to understand the Revelation and the Word of God.

If you can do that, if they have been called to understand logically and see the vision that God has been revealing to humanity to this point, then you have a great opportunity to bring them forward to understanding God’s Will, Revelation, and Plan.  So you have all the tools you need to reach to them and logically explain, because our words, our Revelation, our teaching is based on the Words of God.  It is based on the Scriptures.

It is not a New Age idea.  It is not a man-made understanding.  It is what God said He is going to do.

For the last 12,000 years humanity was in this process to come to this point, and this is the point that now man can see, what did God mean by changing the name of Abram to Abraham?  What did He mean by promising the birthright and the Scepter?  How are these things fulfilled to this point?

If God promised and fulfilled them, therefore God exists, that is what He meant, and there will be other Prophets after Christ.  Christ was the Messiah that was promised to the Jews, and the Jews are just two tribes of the Children of Israel.

There are the ten tribes of the Children of Israel that have been lost, apparently.  But now we know where they are.  All things are clearly explained to humanity now.  If they want the truth, this is it.  That is how God promised, that is how God said He was going to do it, and that is how God has done it.

So again you are called to see this Vision yourself first, to see how it is clear.  It is so crystal clear, and it explains the Mystery of God.  The only thing left for us is to forego our own understandings, our own fears, attachments, and the things that are holding us back to give this fantastic clarity and Revelation to man, and guide them little by little not to be affected with them, but to become so strong in our own vision and see this truth so clearly that we can convey it to others.

If we can do that, then the Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Jews, and everyone out there can see that, yes, they are a part of a greater truth.  What they believe has some truth in it but they also have a lot of dogmas, misunderstandings, and human understandings because they have been following one-seventh of the Vision. 

They did not have the whole Vision; that is why they made mistakes.  That is why they created all these dogmas and human understandings, and they thought they have it, but they cannot.  God said no one has it.  It is a Mystery.  It is absolutely not clear for anyone until this Revelation comes.

Now it is very clear.  It is crystal clear what God has been doing, who He promised, who He brought as the Major Manifestation or fulfillment of those promises, and He prophesied for a long time before such a people came.  All of them had a part of the truth.  Now we have the whole truth.  That is why this is the only Revelation; it is the only truth that is for the whole of humanity. 

I even did not bring this to where I was born.  I was brought here from the opposite part of the world, and then it was given to me.  But clearly it is not for Persians.  It is for the whole of humanity, and now humans have to understand it.

So we have to clearly see the vision ourselves, and then educate them.  Let them know how God promised, and now it is fulfilled.  They could not and cannot have the truth because God said it is going to be a Mystery.

Even the Great Prophets had visions that they were instructed not to reveal to humanity completely.  So this is everyone’s opportunity now to guide humanity in a greater degree to overcome their concepts.  Then if a Moslem and a Christian, your friends, see this vision clearly, they are brothers and sisters.  They are no different.  They have the Essence of God in them.  The same Essence, which is in that Christian, is in that Moslem.  There is no separation between them.

If they separate themselves, it is their own misunderstanding.  They have not seen this vision clearly, and they did not realize that God is everything and the Essence of God is every man and woman.  Therefore how can I separate myself as a Jew, Christian, Buddhist, or Hindu?  Impossible!

If you see the vision, you cannot say, “us and them.”  You can say, “Poor ego, cannot see such a clear truth.” 

The only thing is to give them the Message clearly, pray for them if you want, maybe it is OK to pray for some people; maybe they need it.  If you find someone is falling and they need some help that they cannot see their way clearly, probably you can pray for them that God helps them and they can see their way clearly to the Light.  Eventually if you feel that such a person is not turning around, not seeing the vision, go to another person, go to another opportunity, and reach out to new sources. 

We are looking for the Elects.  They should see this Vision very clearly.  People come to our room and leave.  People hear the Message, and they do not understand it.  They do not realize it.

Well, they are not the Elects.  It is all right.  It is OK.  We are here to sunder.  This is the sundering time.  It is not the time for spending too much time on something that is not working.  It is time to work with the people that they see the Vision.

That is exactly what happened to the people who came to this Mission.  They saw the Vision.  It hit them like a brick, “Yes, I knew how the religions of the world have to have something in common.  There has to be some common thread in them.”  When it is explained to them how God sent these things separately, and they see it and read THOTH, it makes sense.  It makes a lot of sense, and it is based on the Words of God and explains God’s Plan.

If it had not made sense, I was the first person who would have dropped it a long time ago.  It makes sense.  It is exactly how the history happened. 

How can you say Moslems are not from God, when there are one billion people following it?  There is nothing that happens on this earth that is not accepted or God has not approved it.  It cannot happen.  If that is true, then whatever has happened, occurred with God’s Knowledge and Understanding, and therefore it is from God.

These things they have to understand.  They have to stop blaming each other.  They have to stop saying, “Oh yeah, we know the truth,” when they clearly cannot know the truth until this Revelation comes.

So you have work to do, all of you.  But first you have to see the vision yourself.  You have to stop relying on your own understanding but on God’s Revelation, and how He has clearly sent it to you now.  You have to eventually see this so clearly that you can explain it to other people.

If you are still not seeing the Vision clearly or you are attached to the external world, or you do not want to give 100% to God, then of course you will have a problem.  You will have a lot of mind, reasons, and excuses not to do it.

That is exactly what happened to Adam and Eve.  Eve said, “Well, it makes me knowledgeable and good.”  She rationalized that she was right. 

Humans can do that very easily.  The human is the master of rationalization.  So do not rationalize.  Do not rely on your own understanding.  Know God means what He says, and He says what He means.  He means 100% in everything He says.

Now they have the opportunity to help Jews, Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., to realize that they are a part of a greater truth and bringing them to this Vision and realization that they have to come together.  They have no choice.

But they do not have to.  However, if they do not come to these realizations and if they resist it, the more they resist it, the more destruction and tribulation will come.  It is really human choice.  It is the free will. 

As I said, if everyone accepts this Revelation tonight, if all the leaders and the people on earth accept this Revelation and come together to create the Communities of Light and realize this, we will have peace tomorrow.  There will not be any tribulation.  But if they resist it, there will be tribulation, there will be destruction, there will be separation, there will be ego, and there will be all those things that we see on earth.

The first thing is, they have to see this vision. 

Go ahead, Openeye.

Openeye2003:  At the time of anyone’s death, is it a gift to see the spirit leave the body, going up?  The reason I brought that up is in Christianity when they emphasized   when Christ died, when He went up to heaven, they emphasized his physical body too much rather than the spiritual. The apostles, did they really have the gift to see the unseen, and they saw him go up?  Did anyone understand that particular verse, what they saw was a spirit going up, as the two angels that said, Why are you staring up in the sky?  The same way He went up, He is going to come back down, which is not the physical like Christianity believes that He will come back from the sky in the physical sense.  But the apostles saw it with their spiritual eyes.  He came back again, like everyone else, no different.  Can you expand on that?  Why did it happen that the apostles did see that with their spiritual eyes?  Thanks.  
 

Maitreya:  As we know, even now they know that there is an aura that they can photograph, that there is a part of the human that they did not know exists.  Now they can even take a picture of it and say, “This is the aura,” that you can take a picture of.

So there are things that the regular human eye cannot see.  But if you train yourself, you would be able to see those things, and many people are saying that they can see the auras of the people and the different colors, and each color can represent if they are sick, if they are OK, if they are healthy, or if they are angry, etc.  Their moods show the different colors of the auras around them.

It goes very well with our teachings that the human had the ability and that their third eyes were open before the flood of Noah.  As they fell more and more, those abilities was taken away from them to a point that now we are absolutely gross.  We have reached a point that we do not have those abilities at all.  When someone has them, it seems miraculous to us.  But in truth it is the birthright of every man, woman, and child to have those abilities. 

At the time of Christ, it seems those abilities were released to humanity in a greater degree.  Saying that, also you have to realize that Christ ministered His teachings or came to humanity for only 3.5 years.  He reached a very specific number of people, and His teaching was spread by other people, disciples, or those who even claimed to be disciples or having visions.

Eventually when it came to the Rome, it was accepted by Rome but many other teachings in Rome influenced it, and eventually it was made to a revelation or teaching that was so different than the Eastern understanding of Christ’s teaching that there was a split between Western Christianity and Eastern Orthodox.  Eventually it reached a point that it could not be reconciled anymore.  So it became two great branches of East and West.

So you can see that Christianity has been influenced with a lot of forces, understandings, and the things that happened after Christ.  Of course it did not matter that much because the whole reason of salvation through His teaching was Grace.  So the Christians were really saved by The Grace that Christ released to humanity to this point.

At this point that this Revelation has come, all the previous Promises and Revelations are finished.  It is every one is equal again in the Eye of God, and every man and woman has to follow the Eternal Divine Path in order to receive The Grace.

The Grace is there all the time but it is released to the whole of humanity, and they will receive it.  Therefore if by understanding this truth, you can say that maybe some of those things that are accepted in Christianity might have come from other religions or understandings, or even might have been exaggerated. 

But those abilities are not something that we do not accept and we say did not exist because human had that relationship with the Spirit before the Flood of Noah, and they misused it and abused it.  That is why the third eye was closed.

With understanding these two points then it is easy to accept that such powers exist.  Actually they are called siddhis.  In Sanskrit “siddhis” means spiritual powers.  If you read the book by Yogananda, he talks about a lot of yogis with these siddhis and powers.  For example, there was a yogi who did not eat anything but flowers.  He smelled like a flower, and everyone went to stay around him because he smelled so good, or many other siddhis that he presented in his book.  Even those have to be taken with a grain of salt. 

Have you ever seen a yogi that smells like a flower?  Or eats only flowers?  If you have not seen it, it is just a story you have been told, and you might say, “Oh yes, that sounds good.”  But as long as you have not seen it, it is not something in your experience or your category of experiences.  If you ever saw a yogi who does that, then you can say, “Yes, I saw it myself with my own two eyes.”

So the most important thing is if you have not experienced it, it is just someone else’s experience.  If you have experienced it, then it is your experience.  Still you cannot force it on other people.

Every person, every man, and every woman has to experience the things for themselves.  As long as you have not experienced it, it does not matter that much.

So I hope that answered your question.  But in general, the most important thing is to understand God’s Plan, God’s Revelation, and how to bring the Kingdom of God on earth, and realize that we should not accept anyone’s experience as our own.

If they experience something, great.  Good for them.  But if you have not experienced it, just follow God’s Words, meditate, awaken your spiritual forces, and eventually you might experience some of those things.

Maybe in a hundred or two hundred years we will have yogis everywhere, and they will smell like flowers and beautiful.  Actually if you meditate a long time, you will reach a point that you will experience nectar, which will make your body smell good.

All right, I am glad that, that answered your question. 

Here in this Mission we are very practical people.  We do not just read and accept everything.  We accept only the things that we experience.

OK, if there is any question, go ahead and raise your hand, and we will continue with the questions.  If there are not, then you already all know about the teaching, the Revelation, the opening of the Seven Seals, and that this is indeed the Revelation that God promised will come at the end time.

We are at the end time.  We have to realize, this is a serious Revelation.  It is a serious Calling to you and humanity.  We need to spread this out, to reach as many humans as fast as possible, and bring them, to turn them around.  Because the way they are going is the way of destruction, the way of tribulation, the way of lots of bad things that really our intellect and our egos do not like to see happen.

Seeing people are killed, wars, destruction,… Who knows, maybe part of the earth will fall into the ocean, and millions of people will be destroyed. 

LammyOsity:  Will there be more after you Maitreya?  I have seen people with a third eye.  Does this mean anything?
   

Maitreya:  In this lifetime we have come as the thief of the night.  We will reach few people.  As we believe in reincarnation and as God said, “The first will be the last, and the last will be the first,” therefore if you believe this Revelation and this Spirit was the first to reach Pure Consciousness, then It also will be the last who will return back to Pure Consciousness.  

Therefore I will be around for a long time giving this Revelation and this teaching to humanity over and over again.  It sounds like this lifetime is to bring this Revelation to those who have been called for it.  Eventually they will be instructed how to find me in the next lifetime and install me to continue this Mission in a greater degree that lifetime and the lifetime after.

Eventually, of course, the Kingdom of God will come on earth because God said it will come.  Whenever God says something will happen, it will.  It is His Will.  It is His Plan to see the Kingdom of God come to earth; therefore it will.

Now will it come in this lifetime?  Again it depends upon you all and humanity, how fast you can reach, preach, extend this teaching to them, and how fast they will see the vision and come together as one humanity, under one God, under one religion, and the Revelation.  Therefore it depends upon a lot of “if’s” and circumstances. 

But if it does not happen in this lifetime, I surely will come back next lifetime, and we will all be here again together with more people who will see this Vision in a greater degree and our numbers will increase to a point that eventually the critical mass will be created.  When that point is reached, the whole society and earth will flip to understand that God has been behind this Revelation to this point.

At this time as you can see, few of you are here, and many people hear it and they do not see it.  They have dogmas.  They have their own understandings, and they cannot see the Word of God clearly. 

That is our job, to make them see clearly that God has sent these Revelations and guide them to see the Vision.  The more we can make them to see the Vision, the more our numbers will be.  And the number is the Hand of God.  The greater the number of people, the more power we will have in our Mission and our vision. 

But I will come back again and again until this Mission will be manifested and established on earth.  Eventually when the hierarchy on earth will manifest from the Communities of Light, I do not have to come back in the next incarnation and be reinstalled to continue this Mission because the leaders will be emerging from the communities, from the bottom of the community to the top, and they will continue the Mission.

But if your question is, if there will be other Prophets or Major Manifestations, the answer is that there will not be a Major Manifestation for a thousand years.  But there might be Prophets or teachers who will come, explain this teaching in a greater degree, or if a part of it was lost, to bring it back, and all that.  But there is not going to be a greater Revelation as it is revealed now to humanity.

Go ahead, Openeye.

Openeye2003:  Yes, one question.  As you were saying about The Plan and the MAP, the world to become united under one world religion and all that, as there are as many as we have in the room and our numbers will increase in the course of time.  My question is your plan has been the MAP to unite the world as one, however, after you depart, if the secular world takes upon themselves the MAP and implements it, but not 100% as you say, would that be still in your eyes be acceptable even if it is not 100%?
 

Maitreya:  I cannot see it happening any other way, unless you have an example you wanted to tell me what you mean if it is accepted but not exactly the way it is presented.  I do not see any other way for humanity to be unified or united but to see this vision and accept this Revelation, create Communities of Light, and create the Hierarchy based on the Communities of Light.

Go ahead.

Openeye2003:  The other question, the reason why I ask, is that in the past I read an article through the Baha’i Faith, before I met the Mission, and one of the readings of them was as long as we do unite as one, they say as long as that is achieved, in a sense we will all become as one, gather together as one faith and all that.  Would that be successful?  They also prophesied coming together as one family, they say as long as that is successful then we will work on it later on in the future.
 

Maitreya:  Well, actually the Baha’i Faith is the faith that is finished.  It is a Revelation that came, they have had a lot of problems every time that their leaders died, and there was upheaval.  

The last Guardian, Shoghi Effendi, some people claim that even he was killed, murdered.  Baha’u’llah and Abdu’l Baha very clearly said that their religion is finished when there is no Guardian in it. 

And God said it is not a perfect Revelation.  That is the only Revelation that God said is not perfect.

Therefore we can see that the Baha’is have a lot of problems.  They have good ideas, but they eventually have completely changed the original teachings of their original Revealer, Bab, and now they give you a lot of very fuzzy ideas.

But their ideas will not manifest because it is not the whole Plan.  They do not include the Mystical Paths at all, just like Jews, Christians, and Moslems do not.  They do not have any Mystical Part in their orthodox teachings. 

Therefore it is not perfect.  It is not a perfect revelation or religion.  How can something, which is not perfect, bring a perfect system?  So I doubt that they will be able to manifest the things that they claim they will because it is not God’s Will.  God did not say they are going to bring the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth.

He said it will come after the Revelation of the Seven Seals and the Seventh Angel, and they were the Fifth.  So all the indications tell me clearly that they will not be able to do it; they will not because it is not God’s Will.

Will I accept something that is not completely according to our teachings?  As we said, this teaching is very flexible.  At the same time it has to be something that is based on God’s Will, Revelation, and Plan.  Therefore it has to be very close to what has already been revealed to humanity. 

For sure it has to be based on the Communities of Light.  It has to be based on the Eternal Divine Path.  Those communities have to be based on the Eternal Divine Path.  As we create more communities, we will eventually have the hierarchy come from these communities and create the system.  Because it is from the Communities of Light, it is from the community, it is from the people, it is because they choose their leaders, so it is by the people.  And because they are good people who are chosen by the communities, it is for people.  So that vision actually will be fulfilled through the Communities of Light based on the Eternal Divine Path.

Those fundamental Revelations that have come through this Mission have to be there.  You cannot have a community and say it is Community of Light if it does not follow the Eternal Divine Path, because the only way a community can be a Community of Light is if it is based on the Eternal Divine Path. 

If the people in the community do not meditate, do not awaken their spiritual forces, do not recognize, realize, and progress, then they are not following the First Seal.  If they are not dedicating themselves to the community and helping the community to progress, it is not the Eternal Divine Path.

If they are not sacrificing in the community, it is not the Eternal Divine Path.  If they are not surrendering, submitting, and accepting their places in the community and following the Will of God for them, it is not a Community of Light.  See, all those things have to happen one after another that they understand this teaching and follow it, then create the Communities of Light.  Then the hierarchy will come from the community. 

Then if there is some flexibility after that, that is fine.  It is their decision.  If it is the decision of each community, the community might become a community of artists.  There are artists in that community.  The only thing they do is they work on art, and they help each other and progress.  

One community might become a community based on preaching the Word of God, and all become a center for reaching out to humanity.

So we can see there is much flexibility after that absolute principle is followed.  That absolute principle is the following of the Eternal Divine Path. 

Do the Baha’is follow the Eternal Divine Path?  Do they meditate?  Do they work on the community?  Do they sacrifice?  Do they surrender and submit to God, and become a universalist?  Then they are the Elects, and then they should come, join us, and create the Communities of Light and the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth.

But the Baha’i Teaching, Baha’is Revelation is the only revelation God clearly said, “It is not perfect.”  So something that is not perfect cannot bring a perfect world.

Also they have had a lot of problems all through their history with their leaders.  Now it is split into seven branches.  There are already, after 200, 300 years, seven branches in that religion.  So we can see that religion is done with, and God is now bringing this Revelation to replace all of them.

Actually all the religions are done with after this Revelation.  They have been around just to keep them in the mind of humanity so when this Revelation comes, all of them are on earth, and we can explain to them what they are.

So if those basic principles are followed, the rest is very flexible.  Actually the Mission is very flexible.

If you follow those principles and put your community based on those absolute truths, then after that it depends on each community, each person in the community on earth in general, how flexible they can be, as long as it is based on the Word of God and God’s Laws.

You cannot break God’s Laws and the Universal Laws, the Daharmas.  If you do not break those Laws, you will have a Godly environment.

I do not know if that answers your question but if you are saying that Baha’i is going to bring this on earth, I promise you they will not.  They cannot because God said they will not.  It is not based on their Revelation.

So that is another thing they have to realize too.  That is another message you can give to the Baha’is that, “Look, God did not say that the Fifth Revealer will bring the Kingdom of God on earth.”  It said, after the Seventh Angel.  Neither Baha’i nor any other Prophet ever claimed they are the Seventh Angel and opened the Book sealed with the Seven Seals.

So the only place that you can be sure that God is with that Revealer or Revelation is this Revelation.  They have to accept it and relent again their understanding to God’s Words.

I hope that answered your questions.  If there is any other question, we are almost at the end of our time.  Again see this Vision and Revelation, and see how you can help other people to see this Vision in a clearer way.

Bring the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Moslems, and Baha’is all to see this Vision.  Eventually they should let go of their own understandings and see the Word of God.

So should we.  All of us should look and understand the Word of God that has come to humanity and now is on earth.  We should see it clearly, relent, and let go of our own understandings, fears, and attachments, and become a channel, and a pure channel of God for humanity to understand this teaching and become proficient of seeing this Vision and explaining it to other people.  Let them release their dogmas, misunderstandings, and the problems that they have on earth.

The sooner we can do that, the greater we will be able to bring the Kingdom of God on earth.  The more we are attached to our own little lives, fears, and desires, the more we will have excuses not to do it.  Even that might take us away from God’s last Revelation, and we might not become an Elect and be in His Kingdom as one of the Chosen Ones. 

Therefore meditate on these words, again on this Revelation.  Go to our website.  Read THOTH.  Relent and let go of your understanding, and let God’s Words become your bread, your wine, and your life 100%.  Again God says what He means, and He means what He says 100%.  Therefore take it to your heart, take it to your life, and be one of those who will bring His Kingdom on earth.

I will release all of you to God.  Have a good Godly week, and maybe we will see you again next week.

Sal-OM!